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GFB Fan Feedback: Analyzing the MLB Predicament

by J. Williams on June 10th, 2010 at 9:44 am

Hello GFB community. I will be doing a weekly blog post, focusing on areas where I think the Giants could use some improvement. Expect to see me every Thursday.

For my first post I thought I would try to establish a rubric, so to speak, for my own dissatisfaction with the MLB situation.  I know it seems sometimes that I (Igs) am only seeing this thing from the ‘glass half empty’ perspective, but in truth there are a number of important angles that inform my reservations:

How close are the Giants?

This speaks more to the general draft and personnel philosophy. Do you see the Giants as a team trying to figure out how to make a championship run or a team that has already put all the pieces together and won a ring? Quite a few of the players the Giants have drafted in the past two seasons would suggest the former, players that were two to thee years away on draft day, like Ramses Barden, Travis Beckum, Linval Joseph, and of course, Jason Pierre-Paul.

If these developmental players were taken late in the draft, did not cost multiple picks, or were drafted to a team without needs, I would be more comfortable with them. But some of these guys were drafted in places where players that filled a need could have been taken, like maybe a middle linebacker.

Quality of depth

Do you agree, like much of the projections, that the Giants will find their next Mike backer in the depth chart? I think if you’re honest with yourself, many of the candidates just wont look viable. Let’s start with the completely unlikely. Gerris Wilkinson doesn’t have a chance. You just don’t take a guy that failed miserably at Will and expect him to become your next starting Mike, a position that requires greater lateral quickness, instincts, and a certain kind of smarts. Precedent-wise, has anyone ever failed so miserably at WLB and gone on to success at MLB?

Phillip Dillard was a productive college MLB. But he is a thumper. He’s a run-stopping specialist, great at filling, but not so great at covering TEs, slot receivers, and RBs. That’s a serious liability in a pro 4-3 defense, especially in a Tampa 2 system, where the MLB has a greater coverage responsibility. Linebackers like Dillard really can’t start unless they’re in a 3-4 playing next to another coverage MLB.

Then there’s Brian Kehl, who hasn’t quite flourished yet, but makes a lot of sense as Michael Boley’s understudy.  Again, just the fact that he has yet to be successful as a weakside linebacker is pretty much a guarantee that he can’t play the middle.

Johnathan Goff, Chase Blackburn, and my favorite dark horse, Micah Johnson are the three MLB prospects that have a realistic shot at starting. Blackburn just isn’t enough of an athlete and his lack of success at the position is well documented, though he brings some good veteran experience to the table.

Goff has questionable coverage skills and instincts. Johnson, the UDFA, has a chance to really emerge from this large group of backup players. Johnson nursed foot and knee injuries during a very productive 2009 campaign (105 Tackles, 51 Solo) and carried those injuries into the pre-draft period, which would explain a very slow 40-time.

Relevence of the MLB in the 4-3 system

How important is all this MLB talk anyway? John Fennelly proposes that the Giants organization places relatively low value on LBs. And I think he’s dead on.

Reese’s recent decisions indicate that he thinks the position is negligible. And it’s funny that Coughlin, this season’s sacrificial lamb, plays along, because he never had LBs in Jacksonville, and that team spent a lot of time not quite getting there. But I just can’t think of a successful Giants team that lacked great linebackers. From LT. Harry Carson, Carl Banks, to Jessie Armstead, Antonio Pierce and Kawika Mitchell.

I can’t think of one successful period in the modern history of the Giants where they haven’t had great LB play. So when did the organization adapt this ridiculous stance? Are they haunted by the ghost of LaVar Arrington?

Furthermore, though the Giants still have major question marks at DT, this is a relatively complete defense outside of this MLB. But in a 4-3, how viable is it to have a complete defense without the MLB that brings it all together, a Brian Urlacher, a Ray Lewis, a Gary Bracket, an… Antonio Pierce.

One has to question the wisdom of the great Jerry Reese for leaving this very strong defense without its quarterback, particularly when there were quite a few great candidates available in the draft, one of them a surefire 10 year starter: Sean Weatherspoon, Donald Washington, and Jamar Cheney among others. These guys actually fit in the Tampa-2 system.

We’ve discussed all these issues in the past on the Giants Blog on some level, and I’m sure all of us are holding out some kind of hope that things workout this season. And by “workout” I mean this team wins a Super Bowl. But if you can put all these angles together and not have just a little bit of apprehension about this season, then I have to wonder if you have a pulse.

Yesterday John Fennelly reported that Goff and Dillard are receiving the bulk of the MLB reps. So one would assume that Goff has emerged as the starter and Dillard as his backup. But one has to ask the question, emerged from what? From Gerris Wilkinson, Brian Kehl, Chase Blackburn, and two UDFAs?

I’m just not convinced. You have a very good 4-3 defense that lacks the most important cog, MLB, as well as some good leadership. Most of the candidates to start don’t look viable. Meanwhile, you’re fielding three RE, two that have proven to be a liability in the run game. Your GM doesn’t think it’s an issue. Maybe Coach Coughlin will cover all those offensive players making money in the middle of the field with a safety.

Oh wait. It’s 2010. Defenses don’t really get away with that kind of stuff anymore.

  • Aphex

    A very good, albeit pessimistic, well written piece. But there is an issue.

    As reported by Ralph Vacchiano, “…it won’t be the “Tampa 2” that most people expected. In fact, according to safeties coach Dave Merritt, whatever you want to call the new Giants’ defensive scheme, it won’t be anything like a “Tampa 2”.”

    Seen here:
    http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/giants/2010/06/fewell-has-new-tricks-for-old.html

  • J. Williams

    Aphex,

    Thanks for the response and article. What I like abou Fewell is that he brings some of Spags’ enigmatic personality and, obviously is awarof the success of the aces front. I hope he doesn’t takes for granted, as Sheridan did, the importance of rotation in that front and the proper quality of player to employ it. Remember 2007 aces was built around Strahan as a rock at LE and Justin Tuck’s versatility.

    Anyway, back to Tampa 2. One of the most ubiquitous customs in football is that coaches come wig their schemes. Fewell will employ several fronts and schemes but I assure you his base defense will be a 4-3 Tampa 2. at any rate, if you’re running a 4-3 defense in the pros you should have the right guy in the middle. That’s your starting point.

  • BigDaddybluesman

    We are not running a Tampa 2 so any worries about our mike is justified to a certain extent. But not because of a Tampa 2.

    We need a thumper in the middle that can also cover short zones not deep ones.

    The one player who I feel will eventually make his presence felt is Micah Johnson. He is last on the list but will slowly move up as the coaching staff sees what he can do. He’s not the fastest but neither was AP. The fastest of the bunch is Wilk. Goff is a bit faster then the rest but does not hit, he’s not a physical player, neither is Dillard from what I saw in college, even with Suh in front of him, he’s more finesse.

    The real thumper who to me has the more pop and power is the 6’2″ 260 pound Johnson. if you look at pictures of him you’ll see why. Plus his combine was good except for his 40 due to the knee issue. Even with the knee his drills were in the top of that class. He was fluid and agile in space. He sniffs out plays and attacks the ball carrier taking him down with his strength. He’s a thumper.

    I was shocked he went undrafted and was ecstatic when we signed him. I predict it will take some time because he’s an UDFA, but the cream rises to the top. When he starts popping people for real in preseason he will push past other MLB candidates. He’s smart, physical and is used to running a defense. he already has an NFL type body and can only improve with better training and coaching.

    • touchdownmaker

      I would have to agree with you on Dillard. He is a run stuffing specialist, and he is a bit of a finesse player in that regard. After watching some of his game clips, he sort of reminded me of Paul Pozluzny(sp). He filled well, flowed to the ball well, but couldn’t stick the bone jarring hit. Come to think about it, that is sort of A.Pierce’s game as well. I have no problem with that as long as he can make the tackle.

      I DVRed about five Giants games, and I go through them in the off-season to quench some of my grid iron thirst. I have noticed that the Giants had trouble filling holes. Blackburn seemed to do the worst job at filling holes. Goff, was decent, but had trouble sorting through trash.

      I am really wondering what the Giants will do when faced with having to simultaneously cover the TE and RB out of the backfield. Boley does alleviate coverage problems, but he is only one man, and he can’t cover two people at once. Perhaps they go single high and bring in the safety to cover. With strong CB play, this could actually work.

      J. Fennelly says that they might go three safeties. This could also be interesting.

  • J. Williams

    Big,

    I agree with you about Johnson having a bright future in the NFL. It probably won’t be this season though. Healing from that knee and learning the defense will be a lot for him. Johnson has some good coverage skills too. He’s a smart, active, physical LB.

  • Aphex

    J. Williams

    I completely agree with you about Fewell, from what I have seen from the reports he seems to be infusing the defense with a lot of energy and this has me particularly excited for this season.

    I am also right with you with the importance of the MLB. This may be beside the point, but it is definitely my favorite position to watch of all of the positions in the field. From pre-snap adjustments, to hawking the ball carrier to the hit at the end, it’s just such an involved position and it’s just awesome to see them carry out the intricacies of the position.

    • J. Williams

      I certainly am a fan of great MLB play. It is fun to watch. I think sometimes, unless you’re watching really closely, you can lose track of the chaos on the front. But a good MLB can direct the viewers eyes flowing to the ball. ANd yes, I love to see those LBs pop people.

  • touchdownmaker

    Iggs,
    Nice post. Great to see you on staff. The content just got a whole lot richer with your addition to the staff. I also found it fitting that you chose to discuss the Mike position. I have a feeling it will not be the last time we talk about it.

    • J. Williams

      Thanks TD